So far, so good: BBC 2 series ‘The Story of the Jews’

Over two and a half years ago the BBC announced that it had commissioned a five-part series from historian Simon Schama titled ‘The History of the Jews’ for BBC 2. The programme’s title has meanwhile changed slightly to “The Story of the Jews” and the first episode was broadcast on Sunday, September 1st (available for readers in the UK here), with related BBC merchandising already in full swing.  Part two of the programme will be aired on September 8th

The programme received mainly positive reviews in the British press and clearly considerable research and investment – as well as some impressive photography – has gone into making the series. A recent article in the Jewish News suggests that upcoming episodes – particularly the last one – may be of particular interest to BBC watchers.

“The series will then look at shtetl life in Eastern Europe and the birth of Hasidism, before ending with the Holocaust and its relationship to the creation of Israel.

“This issue will be dealt with frankly, clearly and intensively,” added Schama.”

The Jewish Chronicle reports:

“The last programme takes the viewer up to the present day, focusing on the impact that the Holocaust has had on the modern state of Israel.”

Despite the fact that the final programme in the series will only be aired some weeks from now, an obviously premature – if predictable – reaction has already come from some of  the Hamas-enabling usual sources

“Palestine Solidarity Campaign and five other leading organisations have written to Janice Hadlow, controller of BBC Two and BBC Four, to question the BBC’s impartiality over this broadcast.”

The letter states, inter alia:

“We find it alarming that the BBC is giving a platform to an openly pro-Israeli commentator to make the ‘moral case’ for Israel. Schama’s views will go unopposed, unchallenged and unanalysed. This is a far cry from the balanced and impartial broadcasting that the BBC claims to champion.”

It of course comes as little surprise to find former flotilla passengers Sarah Colbourne and Ismail Patel and ‘Istanbul Declaration‘ signatory Daud Abdullah crying ‘breach of impartiality’ before the programme has even been broadcast. 

 

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40 comments on “So far, so good: BBC 2 series ‘The Story of the Jews’

  1. When will the BBC (both TV and radio) devote as much time and money to publicising other minority groups in the UK? I for one am heartily sick of programmes
    about the TINY percentage of Jews in the UK.

    • “I for one am heartily sick of programmes
      about the TINY percentage of Jews in the UK.”

      No one’s forcing you to watch or listen, are they?

    • Considering how the BBC has been so anti-Israeli:ie anti -Zionist/Jewish over the last 45 years- and it will not even publish the Malcom Balen report- which proves it-I suppose its about time they made an amends- However the shows not over yet- No sooner will this series be over somewhere down the line they will counter it with same old….

    • Sometimes people can be rather narrow minded when it comes to programmes covering such history as The Story of the Jews. Why is it such a problem to listen and learn of their story. I am Scottish and I find it fascinating and also disturbing what happened to the jewish people. Going by some of these negative comments Jewish people are still being persecuted. It is more and more likely that most of us know people are who are jewish and they are lovely people. Perhaps if we listen without making judgement, we can hopefully learn from past mistakes.

  2. So, is there no way we in the United States can see this wonderful program? If I buy the DVD, can I play it here on American equipment?

  3. I am enjoying the series so far, however what is of great concern to me is failure to differentiate Catholicism from Christianity. The severe anti Jewish sentiment that people associate with Christianity is not christian at all, but rather Catholicism. Christianity is in no way shape or form hostile to the Jewish people. Also the book of Zachariah predicts that the Jewish people would not recognize Christ as the Messiah until his 2nd coming where he returns to save the Jews from a global army that has gathered to destroy them:

    “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart”.

  4. Catholicism can find its roots in the mystery religions on ancient Babylon. This is way Catholicism is full of idols and paganistic symbols and rituals. These catholic rituals cannot be found anywhere in the old or new testament. These rituals include the veneration of saints and the worship of Mary, who is not the Mary of the bible but is in fact the ancient goddess Asteroth (more widely known as the queen of heaven) who was worshiped in the middle east in ancient times and was also worshiped in different parts of the world under various names including Venus, Diana and Artemis.

    Christianity honors the Jews and prays for the peace of Israel. Christians do not blame Jewish people for the death if Christ. Christ layed down his life willingly as a sacrificial sin offering to mankind, mirroring Abraham’s offering of Issac. This is why the bible calls Christ the lamb of God.

  5. I enjoyed watching the story of the jews..but its a show that is biased rather than a neutral judgement of what happened..the 2nd part mentioned when muhammad killed 100s of jews in medinah..the truth is that the jews betrayed muhammad and the muslims in not keeping their covenant in not to take sides when the pagan confederation came to attack medina..somehow muhammad caught the attacking jews red handed and made their scheme futile..had the jews succeded, it was to be total annhilation and extermination of islam..muhammad then allowed jewish laws to be used for punishing traitors, execution !

  6. Another thing i forgot to mention. Judaism was a continuation of the true faith, the belief and worship of one god pre-existed moses..monotheism didnt begin from moses. Major prophets such as abraham, noah and adam were all monothiests !

    However, just like the abrahamic religion was superceded by the jewish religion, it was succeeded and evolved by unitarian christanity and then islam. The islamic point of view is that the jews misinterpreted the old testaments but ultimatily judaism was for a particular people in a particular time in a particular land, hence the temple wasnt built for the third time. Whilst islam is for all peoples, all lands until the end of time.

    As for the messiah, jesus, he will return after the coming of the false messiah -Dajjal.

    • Abraham was the first Jew. Moses was a descendant of Levi, son of Jacob and Great grandson of Abraham. the covennant that God made with Abraham was reaffirmed to the entire Jewish people at Mount Sinai. The covenant is for all time.

    • Your stories are traditional Islamic stories without a factual proof for them.
      Schama series is focues in facts – books and archaological evidence, and not on unverified stories.

    • It was not succeeded – If it was it would no longer exist- Islam basically copied it-Then added a few more bits.

  7. What a wonderful objective history of the Jews. This programme is well overdue and the BBC is to be commended on it.

    I will be using the material in a new book that I’m writing on the history of the Jews.

    Incidentally, Martin Luther’s views on the Jews led directly to the Holocaust, so in fact not all blame can be laid at the door of the Catholics. Unfortunately, the series does not cover this period, which started in 1517.

  8. The word jew comes from yahood or Judah, one of the son’s of jacob, how can abraham be a jew ?

    Abraham was a monotheist who was the father of many tribes, his religion and book was not as organised as judaism was to become many centuries later…a religion that was to be specific to one tribe only, the children of israel , this tribe had a very interesting, eventful, exemplary history..they were under the spotlight, but they had a beginning and therefore will have an end. Unitarian christianity was a true sect of judaism, but they were almost exterminated by pauline (trinitarian) christrians..except in places like spain just before the coming of the moors.

    It was time for a religion that was to be open to all nations, not specific to anyone, the true monothestic religion, where the one God can be worshipped equally by all…
    A muslim mosque complex stands on holy of holies temple mount since 636 AD, why would god allow an islamic structure to outlive any temple that has ever stood there..

    • Islam is a pagan religion and has nothing at all to do with Abraham. Allah was worshipped as a moon god by arabs long before mohammed was even born. This is why cresent moons can found on top of a lot of mosques. Even inside the kabbah today you can see pagan shrines to the sun and moon:

      The bible says that any man or angel from heaven that delivers a message that is contrary to the law and the prophets is accursed. Moslems seek some kind of validation by claiming islam has connections to the ancient jewish prophets but this is a great lie. The god of islam is satan who the the bible describes as the father of lies, the koran itself describes allah as the best of deceivers, thus revealing allah to be none other than satan: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_Best_Deceiver

      Islam, like all religions apart from Judiasm and Christianity is nothing more than an extension of the old babylon mystery religions. Islam is more akin to catholoism, thats why the popes have no problems praying in a mosque.

      We cannot even begin to know God without honoring the jewish people because it is because of the faith of their father (Abraham) that God chose that nation to reveal himself to and in time through the Jews to reveal himself to the rest of mankind. God himself said in Genesis that he would curse those who curse the nation of Israel, so be very careful what you say about the Jewish people because God identifies them as the apple of his eye. Every nation that persecuted the Jews has been done away with from Pharoah of egypt to hitler, yet the Jews remain because mighty is the LORD that protects them.

      Listen to me very carefully, that islamic abomination that stands on the temple mount will be destroyed sooner or later. The bible prophecies that a 3rd temple will be built and that levitical sacrifices will begin again. Man, when those levitical priests start honoring God again you better watch out because when Israel maintains their part of the covenant they are super naturally protected and will be eligible for all the blessing that God promised them if they maintain their part of the covenant..That means everything that opposes them God will destroyed. Look at all the wars israel has faught since they became a nation again. A small tiny nation defeated a united arab army many times their size and they beat them several times.

      Moslem scolars know this, catholics scholars know this. Satan knows this, this is why he inspired hitler to try and destroy the jews in the 1930s’40s because he could sense that the time of the prophecy was at hand

      Islam is terrified by this prophecy and they are trying to defile the land in order to prevent this from happening but God has degreed that it will come to pass.

      God has allowed pagan temples to be erected on the temple mount in the past when Israel strayed away from their God and served other Gods. God told the isrealies that if they forsook him then he would deliver them into the hands of their enemies but he would also always bring them back again after a certain period of time.

      I will leave you with God’s own words from Zachariah 12:

      “The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

      2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

      6In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.”

  9. An example of the unitarian christians were the ebionites, the poor ones, who were firstly persecuted by jews and almost exterminated by pauline christians, until islam came into inherit and be a succesor to the ebionites. Forgot to mention this

  10. I am not here to argue or criticise about judaism,i tolerate all religions no matter how strange their beliefs are..i just put forward a perception about jews from an islamic point of view, something nobody speaks about.

    Please do not lie, islam is not babylonian or pagan or satanic…listen to educated muslim scholars not to ignorant twisted people. I dont get my teaching about judaism from non-jews, i get it from authorised jewish sources..if you are truthful, you would do likewise for other religions.

    To accept the truth is a mighty accomplishment. we will all certainly die, and when god questions us on judgement day, you cant fool God…your countless lies and arrogancy prevented you to search for the truth, let alone accepting it..

    The crescent is an ottoman thing, it wasnt there on mosques before their reign…inside the kabbah, its empty except a table of some sort..sun and moon lol..
    Battles and wars have been fought since the beginning of time, sometimes the good guys win, sometimes the bad guys…there is no proof that military victory belongs only to good guys..the real messiah will bring a final battle of good triumphing over evil.

    Jews had an opportunity to rebuild the 3rd temple in 363AD, but a fire came out and it was halted…then in 614 AD, another opportunity to rebuild the temple, yet again halted, because the persians disallowed it, but no hindrance whatsoever when the mosque was built…that does tell you something considering it has now stood there longer than any temple of any religion.

    Again im not here to argue, but to make peaceful statements based on true facts endorsed by true unbiased education from the experts..there are many, many jews that have converted to islam, because they saw the venomous lies of what jews beleive about the true face of islam, the media does a brilliant job in demonising islam and people like you do a brilliant job spreading lies abou islam. Use an argument, if you can to undoubtly prove islam is in the wrong !

    • islam is a fruit of a lie that satan disguised as an angel of light gave to Mohammed. Islam is Babylonian mystery religion because it relies on self works in order to get to heaven it also has all the classic traits of babylon mystery religion ie shrines and images to the sun and moon.

      Did you watch the video? It clearly shows the pagan images in the kabbah, here is another video showing the sun/moon images in the Kaaba:

      Do some research and see which other people in history have had experiences of angels in caves, none of them are good.

      I’m not here to argue also, I’m giving you facts about the truth of islam. Does not the koran describe Allah as the best of deceivers? was Allah worshiped by the pagan Arabs before Mohammed? why do followers of Islam hate Israel, it is because of the hatred of Ishmael towards Issac. God’s promise of salvation for mankind started with Abraham and Issac and not Ishmael.

      Jesus stated that in heaven, people will be like the angels and there will be no sex or marriage, yet the koran promises 70 virgins to Muslims when they go to heaven.

      Islam cannot be of God because it preaches a gospel that it contrary to the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob. My advise to you is to come out of Islam and seek the LORD while he may be found.

      Again, i will leave you with the words of God

      Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    • Nobody needs to go on record spreading lies about Islam. Islamists do a very good
      job of convincing the world and all of the other peaceful religions that Islam is a religion of hatred, rage, anger, disrespect for women, and unbelievable cruelty to
      anyone who fails to believe in the koran. Why any muslim has the unbelievable gall to point fingers at any other religion is beyond any understanding. Shia’s hating
      Sunnis and killing them in the name of religion? And you have the temerity to point
      fingers at other religions. Who is causing all of the horrible deaths in the Mid East?
      Muslims killing non Muslims, and Muslims killing other muslims. Get your story straight.

  11. I could assure you the sun and moon designs on the door or whatever you saw is not in the least symbollic of any deity or islamic focus of worship, again, there is no sun and moon worship otherwise we would have been taught that way. There is only one god and no other, keep that in mind.

    In islam, this short life is like an exam, a test in all aspects of life , do we obey god,do we praise him, our ACTIONS are proof , we are not proving to God, but to all creation who could argue that you are not worthy of the mercy and love of God as you lie, hurt, kill, wrong and insult God, neither did you honestly search for the truth as your innate hatred prevented you and neither did you fear god as you sinned as much as you desired using jesus as a sponge lol.

    The seven sleepers of ephesus came from a cave ! They were pious…plz do proper research

    God does not deceive, no muslim scholar teaches that, this is a lie made out from a twisted hater, again all the facts i have mentioned has no doubt in it.

    Allah etymogically is an ancient name derived from eloha, elohim, el…ancient semitic words referring to God..if pagans started using it, doesnt mean they own this name now, arabic speaking jews and christains still use allah for god , do your thorough correct research !

    Everything i mentioned is endorsable by any jewish rabbi and christian priest or intellect , what you mention is all plain rubbish, no muslim scholar would endorse anything you say.
    Muslims never hated jews, read jewish history , most lived in muslims lands in protection whilst christian europe would do persistant persecution upon them, it all started in 1948, when jews murdered innocent muslims and took their land and happiness away, bare in mind modern state of isreal was created on the back of broken promises, murder, theft, betrayel and terrorism, compare this unholy invasion to the muslim conquest of jerusalem , bloodless and in peace (justice) – what a contrast.

    We would still be humans in heaven, and this human will live for eternity, i mean for eternity, billions of years and still counting…, does he not have basic instincts like eating and drinking, sex and socialising…i take it you dont like this ?? Lol, being a human is better than being a robotic angel…ponder about it.

    We will all die, and let me tell you something, god will question each one of us on why you beleived in such a religion and not the other !!. If he finds you an arrogant proud lier, a harmer, a rude pathetic speaker, then why would god want to live with you ? I have my undoubt answers why i am a muslim and not otherwise. Though i humbly search for the truth and never lie about anyone’s religion.

  12. In every community you get good and bad people…hitler, stalin and ivan were all christians but the media dosnt call them christians , they killed millions between them..what islam teaches is different from what muslims do, there is a difference, im talking about religion here, not about people, islam dosnt teach the killing of innocents, whatsoever !!..furthermore, you dont know the inside secret of who ignited and spread the fire of killing, on judgement day all will be made known.

    • hitler was not a christian, he was a new age occultist. stalin was atheist and ivan the terrible was a satan worshipper.

      so you say the best allah can do for you is to provide you with wine and women for eternity. What kind of God is that? The bible says that God is spirit and his worshippers must worship him in spirit and in truth. How can you worship God by fornicating with 70 virgins. Islam is of satan because in caters to the flesh and not the spirit. The bible no flesh can glory in his presence. The bible states that man cannot even imagine what God will reward the righteous with, yet all allah can is cater to the flesh by giving women lol

      Nothing good has come of islam, the founder of islam was a pedophile child rapist. How disgusting do you have to be to follow somebody who raped a 9 year old little girl. Sickening.

      Also in Kaaba, did you see the black stone inside the silver mandorla? This is more proof that Islam is a Babylonian mystery religion because islam venerates objects. The mandorla is an old Babylonian symbol of fertility ie a virgina, it can be found in catholic buildings and paintings. The silver mandorla represents earth and the black stone represents heaven. It is the old Babylonian concept of heaven mating with earth. So why would islam share concepts and symbols with Catholicism, it isbecause they come from the same place orginally…babylon

  13. some quotes from the the religion of Peace that observer says is righteous:

    Qur’an 2:61 “Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

    Ishaq:240 “The Jews are a nation of liars…. The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.”

    Qur’an 59:14 “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”

    Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”

    Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

    Qur’an 2:59 “We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing.”

  14. Omg…you’re not listening to what i said, do your research thoroughly in an unbiased manner and learn the religion of islam from educated muslim scholars not from pathetic idiots who are ignorant and evil to the brim.

    All 3 murderers , hitler, stalin and ivan were raised as christains and attended church regulraly, so please get your history right. If you dont want to admit this, fine , good luck in spreading lies.

    There is no concept of worship in heaven, we are required to worship god in this life on this earth only, beleivers will live with God in heaven and it is a trillion times bigger than this universe we’re in, heaven is not an island with god overlooking us like you assume. We are free minded humans and will remain that way and we will have humanly desires…we are not turning into angels or spirits like you beleive, so good luck , this is your belief, not mine.

    As for the infamous argument of accusing muhammad of sex with a 9 year old, Ayesha!

    A little factual background, ayesha was born before 610AD, she married Muhammad in 623/624 AD, that makes her atleast 13 year old, a typical age for most girls to get married in those days upto the 19th century, this rumour of the prophet shagging a 9 year old or even a 6 year old lol, was spread by the christians of iraq when an old muslim scholar who lost his mind said this, it was refuted by other scholars, but the christians spread this lie so much that bukhari, a muslim scholar born 200 years later had to record this in the hadiths, of a possibility but contraversial..as he tried to preserve any knowledge about the prophet, true or false. Thats why not all hadiths can be taken seriously..its a bit like saying that some people accused the virgin mary to have had sex, but mainstream beleive it was a miracalous conception from a virgin, who do you want to beleive ? Anti-christians would beleive in the virgin mary doing sex, just like you insulting muhammad of being a peado, beleive what you want !!

    The black stone is a foundation stone that fell from the sky, it broke into pieces and therefore held together by that silver case, it was positioned there by Abraham, his footprint still exists on the ground literally next to the kaaba.
    A foundation stone exists on temple mount, you dont like to see that as a sexual organ..

    Now for the quranic translations, my god, its shocking how you take a part of the verse and then make out its interpretation, read the full verse, read the context and then speak

    2:61, refers to the time of Moses and how the israelites were disobeidant towards Moses and the wrongs they did in time,

    59:14, its a long story, but in a nutshell, its about hypocracy, dirty plots that led to the murder of innocent people, talk to a muslim scholar who can tell you what happened, it exposes evil strategies. The words you use is not reflective in the quran

    4:55,
    And some among them believed in it, and some among them were averse to it. And sufficient is Hell as a blaze.
    As it says, if you do disbeleive despite seeing signs of God, expect hell !! Whats the big deal about this verse

    5:82,
    This is a very interesting verse, its a typical attitude of jews toward muslims…test it for yourself, no matter how good and fair muslims were or are towards you lot, you are programmed to still hate us.which is true ! Ive told you so much but your hate is persistant, thank you for proving this verse true.

    2:59
    But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying.
    Whats wrong with this verse, its a general statement, for example, if you change the Torah, expect a punishment of some form from God, who is above the skies !!

    You know what, your hate dosnt change, your ignorance is repetitive and if you dont have an open mind, there is no point conversing with you. My facts have no dispute, but your crazy ideas are beyond comprehension…if you truly respect God, you will search the truth and you will find it..if you dont, good luck and bye

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    • Hi Observer, I have given you quote after quote showing how how islam cannot be of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob because islamic doctrine is contrary to what God told the prophets of Israel. Islam has blinded your mind so much that you think that the reward of righteousness is endless fornication is heaven. God has spoken clearly about fornication and the flesh. Again it is the devil who appeals to man’s flesh, God calls to the spirit. The god of Islam is satan.

      Observer said:
      “All 3 murderers , hitler, stalin and ivan were raised as christains and attended church regulraly, so please get your history right. If you dont want to admit this, fine , good luck in spreading lies”.

      [Response]
      “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so” – [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

      “…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

      “It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 61

      “Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 145

      “It took fourteen centuries for Christianity to reach the peak of savagery and stupidity.” -Hitler’s Table Talk, pg 314
      [end quotes]

      ——-
      observer said:
      “There is no concept of worship in heaven, we are required to worship god in this life on this earth only, beleivers will live with God in heaven and it is a trillion times bigger than this universe we’re in, heaven is not an island with god overlooking us like you assume. We are free minded humans and will remain that way and we will have humanly desires…we are not turning into angels or spirits like you beleive, so good luck , this is your belief, not mine”.

      Response
      Rev 4:
      9 Whenever the living beings give glory and honor and thanks to the one sitting on the throne (the one who lives forever and ever), 10 the twenty-four elders fall down and worship the one sitting on the throne (the one who lives forever and ever). And they lay their crowns before the throne and say,

      11 “You are worthy, O Lord our God,
      to receive glory and honor and power.
      For you created all things,
      and they exist because you created what you pleased.”

      John 4:24
      God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
      [end quotes]

      observer said:
      “We are free minded humans and will remain that way and we will have humanly desires…we are not turning into angels or spirits like you beleive, so good luck , this is your belief, not mine. ”

      Response:

      Matt 22:30
      For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

      Rev 22:15 (talking about those outside the kingdom of God)
      Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

      John 2:15
      Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

      [end quotes]

      Observer said:
      “Anti-christians would beleive in the virgin mary doing sex, just like you insulting muhammad of being a peado, beleive what you want !! ”

      Response:

      Matthew 13:56 reads: “Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us?”

      – Jesus was born of a virgin birth just as the prophets declared, but Mary went on to have other children. It is only catholics and islam who believe that Mary remained a virgin, thus more links between islam and Catholicism.

      Mohammed married Aisha when she was six and consummated the marriage when she was 9. This is a pedophile! Even islamic sources state that she was 9 or 10 years old when this sick crime took place:

      Hadith: (8:3311) – The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad’s house (something to play with when the “prophet” was not having sex with her).

      Bukhari (6:298) – Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

      Bukhari (93:639) – The Prophet of Islam would recite the ‘Holy Qur’an’ with his head in Aisha’s lap, when she was menstruating.

      From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234

      “Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.”

      [End Quotes]

      Observer said:
      The black stone is a foundation stone that fell from the sky, it broke into pieces and therefore held together by that silver case, it was positioned there by Abraham, his footprint still exists on the ground literally next to the kaaba.
      A foundation stone exists on temple mount, you dont like to see that as a sexual organ..

      [Response]

      There is no biblical/torah mention of Abraham doing this. This is the truth of your black stone:

  15. Hello Mark, i am trying to tell you

    1. your beliefs are your beliefs, my beliefs are my beliefs, you take your path and i take mine..and on judgement day , we will see who stands where !! Time will tell.
    I could bring 100s of criticism about christianity, from pork (jesus never ate it), son of god (goes against the 1st commandment of the timeless 10 commandments), jesus converting water into wine( alcohol is harmful to health and society, why would jesus turn something so pure and beneficial like water into alcohol) etc etc.

    2. you are using non-muslim sources to argue against Islam…whilst i used evident history, jewish-christian beleifs and straight forward logic. i mean would you ask a bus driver on open heart surgery, would you ask a poet about phd mathematics, would you ask a buddhist monk about theoretical physics…you are not using the knowledge taught by muslim scholars to argue against..just like you never would listen to a bus driver about medicine, there is no point listening to you when you know nothing but conjecture….plz understand what i am saying, your knowledge is extremily lacking, read about ishmael in the OT, he was born in israel and he was there in his father’s funeral..both brothers buried him together and God promises prophet from ishmaels progeny too, its in the bible.

    3. you are quoting hadiths, the problem with hadiths or oral sayings of the prophet is that they are not All guarenteed to be true, as a non-muslim you should refer to quranic verses only rather than hadiths…ask any muslim scholar, there are tonnes of hadiths that are considered fabricated, whilst others are weak, whilst others are contraversial…i have given you evidence about what islamic history books say about when ayesha was born and when she married..then this becomes a doubtful matter, so your argument holds no water, as you want to beleive what you want to beleive,

    I spent years studying about religions, from hinduism to zorasterism…so it is wise to be open minded and study all from their experts, i questioned a lot and never listened to idiots on the internet, and i am glad i am following a true path and your attitude is very typical of an ignorant christian.

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