Inflammatory political comment in BBC Proms broadcast

One of Britain’s best-loved institutions is, without doubt, the annual BBC-presented Henry Wood Promenade Concerts – better and fondly known as the Proms. But even that cultural oasis is not immune to political posturing. 

Last year a performance by the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was disrupted by anti-Israel campaigners resulting in a Radio 3 live broadcast of the concert being pulled by the BBC. 

This year – as we learn from the IPT blog – is sadly no better.

“Violin virtuoso Nigel Kennedy and his quartet performed Vivaldi’s Four Seasons last Thursday at the Royal Albert Hall. They were joined by the Palestine Strings in a concert broadcast live as part of the BBC Proms series. The Palestine Strings are comprised of young students attending the Edward Said National Conservatory of Music.”

Delightful. However, during the performance Kennedy told the audience:

“Ladies and gentlemen, it’s a bit facile to say it, but we all know from experience in this night of music tonight that, given equality, and getting rid of apartheid, gives beautiful chance for amazing things to happen.” [emphasis added]

 Kennedy’s inflammatory comment has not been pulled by Radio 3. In fact the concert is available here with Kennedy’s remarks appearing at around 1:20:26. As the IPT blog notes:

“Moreover, the BBC has aired the broadcast on BBC [Radio] 3 with the comments intact, and plans to rebroadcast the concert in its entirety on BBC on Aug. 23, thus exposing an even wider unsuspecting audience tuning in to hear Kennedy’s music.”

And that was not the only occasion upon which the BBC has of late provided a platform for Nigel Kennedy’s political posturing. On August 3rd he appeared on BBC Radio 4’s ‘Saturday Live’ where he said (at 1:02:27 in the recording in the link):

“These problems of apartheid in Israel at the moment are extreme. You know, people not able to get onto their orange groves, people not able to get education, not able to get medical supplies.”

The best presenter Richard Coles could come up with in response to those dishonest fabrications was: Saturday Live

“There are always two sides to those arguments and they will always fight…”

“Two sides” to a blatant lie, Reverend?

To remind ourselves of the BBC’s own guidelines on the subject of live output:

“If offensive comments are expressed during live interviews, the interviewer should normally intervene, challenge the comments where appropriate and/or distance the BBC from the comments. If this doesn’t happen we should make an on-air apology at the earliest opportunity. Potentially offensive comments include remarks that may be interpreted as, for example, racist, sexist, homophobic, prejudiced against a religious group, or reflecting an unflattering national stereotype.”

As Baroness Deech remarked:

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One of course hopes that ahead the scheduled August 23rd broadcast the BBC will have the forethought to remove Kennedy’s inflammatory comment which is clearly in breach of BBC editorial guidelines, but perhaps readers might like to give them a nudge – just in case. 

Update: 

The Jewish Chronicle reports that the BBC has confirmed that Kennedy’s comments will be edited out of the scheduled August 23rd broadcast of the concert. 

 

160 comments on “Inflammatory political comment in BBC Proms broadcast

  1. Oh dear, yet another musician who’s music I will not bear to listen to in the future, and who’s CDs will be getting thrown into the trash.

  2. Hadar, I can’t stand the arrogant, posturing Kennedy at any time, so did not bother to listen. However, I’ll submit a yet another complaint to the BBC, Best wishes. Geoffrey

    • Yes, do that Mr. Bernstein. You will join the disproprotionate number of Jews who harrass the BBC every time there is anything slightly critical of Israel, although the BBC is clearly not very interested in criticizing Israel, nor correcting incorrect reports on Palestinian stories.
      Please let us not have balance and freedom to express opinions based on facts. It could only mean more “antisemitism!”. Scream.

      • You will join the disproprotionate number of Jews who harrass the BBC ?

        LOL How do you know if all of them are jews? We know people like you don;t like it when people show the non balance repeorts of the BBC about Israel and reports which are not based on facts.

        It could mean more “antisemtism” ?

        Do you mean that antisemtisim is not really a fact? And that antisemitism is all Jews faults?

  3. The use of the word ” apartheid ” is not accurate but whenever pro Israelis are challenged as to what form of government Israel is you get some nonsense about it being a democracy despite a huge number being disenfranchised . Either that or you get the phrase homeland for the Jews being used despite that many especially the US Jews have a wonderful and safe homeland.

    Maybe when Israel abides by international laws such inaccurate attacks wikll end

  4. Since I had never heard of the “world-renowned” Kennedy, I looked up his bio.

    Trained at the Yehudi Menuhin school, no surprise that he picked up Menuhin’s fanatically anti-Israeli biases.

    As usual, when one finds these anti-Israeli creeps, one is left thinking – “Poor Palestinians – with friends like these ….”

    Excerpts from his Wiki bio:

    “Kennedy’s persona is seen by some as abrasive and limiting to his career,[13] citing as an example his use of a ‘Mockney’ accent instead of the Received Pronunciation he had when he was interviewed as a child in 1964 on the BBC’s Town and Around.[14]

    Kennedy was attacked for his approach to classical music by John Drummond in 1991, who called him “a Liberace for the Nineties” and criticised his “ludicrous clothes and grotesque, self-invented accent.

    The musician is a vocal opponent of Israel’s policies in the West Bank,”

    No surprises here.

    • Sadly, there are still supporters of Zionism/Israel who only respond in line with the constructed narrative they have been taught. Clearly they have not visited the West Bank, E. Jerusalem and or Gaza. If they did they would learn the truth. I have been to all those places and I have been to post-Apartheid South Africa. Therefore, I can tell you that what Kennedy said IS THE TRUTH. The sooner everyone wakes up the better. Denial, propaganda, Hasbara, etc. has gotten us in this mess. The truth will help us get out of it.

      • YOu have visited all those places accompany by a plaestinian hearing only his side of the story and this is the truth? A Plaestinain propoganda as usual.

  5. Why is it that western society always listens to the Israeli Zionist Jews lies. They twist historic events and have the gall to call the written record, false.
    Anyone standing up to them is instantly branded as an anti-semite, when they aren’t semites.
    Good for Kennedy drawing attention to the Israeli evil deeds carried out against the rightful residents of Palestine the Palestinians. Perhaps more public figures should take a lesson and stand up to and against injustice.

    • Not all Jews approve of what happens in Israel! There are many Jews around the world who hope for a better future for both communities in Israel/Palestine.

      However this propaganda battle will continue!
      As far as the BBC is concerned-I think we hear enough from the apologists for Israel-Just as well we also hear the opposite view now and again!

    • I assume, then, that Kennedy will also condemn that democratically (only 40%+) elected Hamas (who curiously abolished the voting system in Gaza soon after getting to power) and who persecute the Gazans, also fire rockets at Ashdod, Askelon and Sderot (I’ve been there so I know), they also locate their missile sites within suburban areas so that if ever a missile site gets taken out by the IDF & casualties occur, Israel gets the blame?

    • To Mr Hopkins – “they twist” and Arabs don’t? Your blinded by your country’s classic anti semitism. The world of Fagin

  6. Why remove Kennedy’s comments? I thought we lived in a society of free speech. The BBC doesn’t have to affiliate itself with the views of Kennedy, but if he chooses to air those views, that’s his right. People can judge him as they wish for doing so, and equally whether they see the Proms as an appropriate stage to do so, but muting his words is dishonest and a misrepresentation.

  7. Nigel Kennedy spoke the truth, it’s not an inflammatory comment, but it is fact. Israel treats the Palestinians as if they are animals, the Palestinians have lost most of their country, why is Israel wanting the rest? GREED!!

        • Talula – so who owned Gaza before ’67. The Egyptians occupied Gaza pre ’67 and refused to take that hell hole back no matter what. Who owned the West Bank pre ’67. Jordan occupied the West Bank, illegally since 1948.The West Bank was declared part of the land of the future State of Palestine/Israel which the British were mandated to establish as a Jewish Homeland by the League of Nations in 1922. There never were a Palestinian Arab people. They arrived looking for work when they thought the Jews might employ them in the new Jewish State.

      • Israel had to give those back as it was illegally occupying them, as it still illegally occupies the West Bank and is encouraging more and more illegal settlements there. Israel gives with one hand and takes twice as much with the other.

    • What country have the Palestinians lost? What was it called? Do you know why some Palestinians fled the country in 1948? How come there are 2 million Arabs Israelis? What makes you think Israel wants the rest of Palestine (apart from your assumption that Jews are greedy)? Do tell us.

      • It was called Palestine, Britain had the mandate until May 1948, when it was handed back to the UN, the Zionists came and stole it from the rightful occupants. The UN had proposed a division which, rightfully, the Palestinians said No to. Would anyone like their country being given to people from another country?

        • Hard to credit someone can come onto this forum displaying such a high level of sheer ignorance. Palestine was never a state or a country. It has only ever been a region. It had no government, officials or monarchy, no coinage, or infrastructure or unified culture. WRT your slanderous comment about Zionists stealing land, again you are wrong. I can’t tell if you are simply ignorant or wilfully lying but the result is that you show yourself as completely ignorant of the history of the region.

        • Not really. We say there was never a state called Plaetsine and you didn;t prove that there was a state like that. Everyone who lived here during mandate time was called Palestinian .

          The Jerusalem Post, founded in 1932, was called The Palestine Post until 1948.

          Bank Leumi L’Israel, incorporated in 1902, was called the “Anglo-Palestine Company” until 1948.

          Today’s Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, founded in 1936 by German Jewish refugees who fled Nazi Germany, was originally called the “Palestine Symphony Orchestra,” composed of some 70 Palestinian Jews.

    • Too much hysterical emotion – not enough reasoned analysis. It is people like you who treat Palestinians as a lower species. By treating them as children and expecting less from them you actually display your racism and patronising attitude. Palestinians are capable of the highest form of human achievement, which is why you treating them as noble savages is so utterly demeaning.

      BTW, they never had a country to lose. There was a region inhabited by a very diverse multicultural mix of inhabitants that included Jews, Muslims and Christians that could easily have been a country for all – but the Arab league wasn’t having it. The League of Nations actually promised the land from the sea to include what is now Jordan to the Jewish people. That was ‘revised,’ by the UK government to include the land from the sea up to the railway line to the east of the Jordan river which include Judea and Samaria, aka the West Bank, So in fact, Palestinian Arabs are living in an area that was in fact promised to the Jews in 1922.

      If you are truly concerned about the Palestinian Arabs (as if), why are they still refugees, 65 years later? Why is it that the Arab League STILL has in place a policy, insisting they remain stateless, cannot hold passports and that they are not allowed to buy land or hold meaningful employment in ANY ARAB STATE?

      Or is that ok as they are ONLY Arabs and you expect no less? Who’s the racist here?

    • Really?! When was the last time you visited Israel and traveled around and met Israeli Arabs. etc., etc.??

    • Lindsay, it was never their country. The ‘Palestinians’ were immigrants to the land from other Arab nations, they have no more claim to that land we call Israel any more than our Jewish forebears. It was promised to the Jews by our Father God (see Genesis Ch 12) and His word stands forever. And were you to check your facts it was that area forcibly named the ‘West Bank’ (historically & biblically Judea-Samaria) by Jordan contrary to the proposed state for the Palestinians in defiance of UN Resolution 181. Had the surrounding Arab states not then attacked Israel, who knows we may have achieved, since 1948, a peaceful two-state solution.

  8. The truth is the Palestinians live under a a dailyoccupation, their lands stolen, when do the Palestinians ever get a balanced and fair coverage.. I for one commend what Mr Kennedy had to say. When Israel begins to address it’s cruel policies to the people of Gaza and the West Bank, and it’s failure to respect international laws, then perhaps less people will raise their voices in opposition.

      • @ alexa, as you are so knowledgeable about Palestine and the Apartheid state of Israel. Could you kindly enlighten me to why the Zionist Jews stole the Palestinian land in 1948?

        • The Zionists Jews did not steal anybody’s land. The state was created by international powers, who controlled that land. The state was created in the same manner as many other states in the Levant and Middle East. The so-called Palestinians (a name invented and manufactured after 1948 for the sole purpose of antagonizing Israel) were offered a homeland of their own at the same time as Israel. The Muslim powers and the so-called Palestinian rejected this state, as they have continued to do ever since 1948, because no Muslim or Arab or Palestinian power actually wants a Palestinian state. The only persons believing in the fiction of Palestine or the desirability of a Palestinian state are Jew-hating western academicians, politicians, and liberals.
          The land which the Israelis have taken and occupied since 1948 has been the land from whence foreign Muslim states attacked Israeli from violently and militarily. Israel should be applauded and celebrated for taking these lands, and putting them to good use, and defensive use.
          The local persons displaced from so-called Palestinian lands were so displaced because foreign powers and local combatants encouraged them and told them to vacate the area because of impending military attack. The aggressors lost. The local “Palestinians” suffered, and have been suffering ever since, not because of the Jews or the Israeli state, but because of the backward, violent, aggressive, hate-filled Muslim powers and states which surround Israel and keep the region in everlasting turmoil and poverty. Israel is the only friend the so-called Palestinians have, and yet ostentatious western liberals, with their fashionable progressive compassion, can only vent their anti-Semitic loathing of the Jews and Israel and, in so-doing, vent their contempt for the long suffering displaced natives of Judea.
          If you truly gave a crap about the so-called Palestinians, you would support Israel, support the Jews, and support the crushing of the many violent, backward, venemous, Arab and Muslim regimes and political bodies.

          • ‘mikeb’, what a load of crap! What propaganda book have you been reading?
            If Palestine didn’t exist before 1948, prey tell me how come there is legal coinage in existence with dates 1923 1928 1937 1944 etc. Postings for the British forces to the region were to Palestine. so don’t talk silly and say it didn’t exist. Or how I can turn up newspapers going back to 1946, 1947 and 1948 which report atrocities carried out by the Zionist terrorists against the British caretaker forces of the Palestine state. Are you saying that those papers are wrong, or that it wasn’t so!
            You check the REAL history of that region and you will find that Israel never existed at any time until it was stolen in 1948 by the Zionist Jews.
            As for your bigoted statement about ‘hate filled Muslims’, that is rich coming from a rabid hate filled JEW, who isn’t even intelligent enough to quote actual historic events, and stupid enough to expect intelligent people to believe a pack of lies and propaganda. I am of an age to remember the events around 1948 and since.
            Your post is one lie from start to finish.

          • it was called the mandate of Paletsine. anyone living here during that time was Palestinian . Jews came here during all centuries sitting mainly in the Gallile. However in the end of the 19th the came in big numbers. At that time the Turks were occupying the area. So do tell me as you seem to “know” so “much” how did the turks let Jews steal so many lands for their settlements from the locals . did the muslim Turks allow jews to steal arab lands?

          • This is a quote from;- jewishvirtuallibrary.org;-

            Not long after the Emancipation Proclamation, President Abraham Lincoln met a Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, who expressed hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated “by restoring them to their national home in Palestine.” Lincoln said this was “a noble dream and one shared by many Americans.

            Palestine didn’t exist till after 1948………………really Mmmmmmm. Abraham Lincoln was born 1809 and assassinated in 1865.

          • Tank you Henry for the Lincolen quote which say ” by restoring them to their national home in Palestine.” As you yourself said it was long beofre anyone heard about zionism.

      • Does your statement that the majority of Palestinian, one has to wonder what as Palestinian is being used as an adjective, live under PA and Hamas rule, I take it you mean Palestinians, does your claim include the millions still in refugee camps?

        • No, those in refugee camps live under Lebanon Syrian or other arab states. The fact that they are treated as second rate citizents there , or being massacare by the local army is something you should adress those countries.

      • My goodness, same old lies being recycled! The Palestinian people, well a large group of people from Arab hertage lived there on the land, often going back centuries. The land was known as Palestine and for a long time was part of the Ottoman Empire. However the same people or descendants of these people lived, farmed, worked, gave birth, died and were buried in this land. Now it has been unjustly taken from them to give to groups of people from Europe and the USA, whilst the native people of the land were driven out and still live in other countries, but they yearn for their homeland. Reading that, just doesn’t make sense to me, nor should it to any fair-minded person.

        • From about 250,000 around the end of the 19th century,the Arabic population grew to about 1,250,000 in 1948. do you mean to tell us that all of them were natives?

      • No need to look it up Nicole, there are people still alive who can prove this. The Palestinians fled from the aggressive terrorism of the Zionist army, who were killing, raping, torturing the Palestinians. Remember Deir Yassin? I can post links for you to read.

        • You mean this one

          Hazem Nusseibeh, a member of one of Jerusalem’s most prominent Arab families. In 1948 he was an editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service’s Arabic news.

          In this interview with the BBC he admits that in 1948 he was instructed by Hussein Khalidi, a prominent Palestinian Arab leader, to fabricate claims of atrocities at Deir Yassin in order to encourage Arab regimes to invade the expected Jewish state. He made this damming admission in explaining why the Arabs failed in the 1948 war. He said “this was our biggest mistake”, because Palestinians fled in terror and left the country in huge numbers after hearing the atrocity claims.

  9. A section of Nelson Mandela’s memo to Thomas Friedman ….link http://www.keghart.com/Mandela-Palestine…………….. Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children…………..I believe that states it clearly and I thank Nigel Kennedy for speaking the truth..

  10. Where did you read Palestinian land was stolen? Where are the footage, the newspaper articles, the books about this? Try jewishvirtuallibrary.org for a little basic history.

  11. Well spoken Nigel..it is a miracle that any Palestinian even made it to these shores to play so beautifully..when you consider the atrocious apartheid, brutality and occupation they live under, and i know what I am talking about..but the BBC has zionists at its head and is fearful of any zionist reaction..this is proof…they wouldn’t have dared try to black out the truth during the ant apartheid years, and now we see blatant apartheid in the Palestinian territories ..do not fall for the zionist hasbara BBC, we pay your wages, you answer to US!

    • YOu know what you are talking about? care to give us some example. Most of the Palestinain live under the PA and Hamas goverment no wonder you see balant aparthide. lol

      • Alexa, is English your native language? I do wonder as your grammar and spelling are so poor.
        Maybe she’s one of the Israeli students paid to post propaganda? Who knows?

        • Wow lindsay seems I am doing something right, thank you. . Whenever you people can;t answer you just start to write about my grammar and spelling. If you want we can allways start writting in Hebrew.

    • Jane I am a South African. You insult the people who suffered under Apartheid by accusing Israel of practising Apartheid. You obviously know nothing of Apartheid for if you did you could not make such a comparison. Because of your obvious ignorance and bias I will not comment on your other silly allegations.

        • I don’t quite understand what you’re writing – but if you’re saying Nelson Mandela compared Israel to an Apartheid State – HE NEVER DID! I was blessed to become quite close to the great man so pay him the respect he’s due. NO LIES.

    • BBC has Zionists at its head? How do you explain the pro-Arab / Palestinian coverage by the allegedly ‘impartial’ BBC? There is no occupation, just an Israeli military presence.

  12. Israel was the TERRORIST in 1946 through to 1948 as stated in all the papers of that time. Things haven’t changed they are still the TERRORISTS, 9/11 proves that plus all the assassinations that MOSSAD carry out. Why does Israel arrest 5yr old children and hold them in prison, why do they have separated and divided streets, why are they building separation walls, why do the hold up ambulances for hours on end when they are carrying injured or ill Palestinians? Israeli people are evil in their treatment of Palestinian people, in fact they don’t even consider Palestinian people as people, but as animals.

    • Ha Israel is behind 9/11 ? seperating walls so your friends won;t come here and suicde bomb in our buses and resturants. As for all other examples besdie your words could you show some sources with example. Someone who blame Israel for 9/11 is a hater so your words are really not enough. provide your source .

    • Henry A Hopkins
      Thank you so much. I was reading your posts with incredulity until I came across your comment about 9/11. Hilarious. Not just a racist and a bigot but a truether as well. Take care of your tin foil hat – it might get caught in a ceiling fan and inject some sense.

      Wow, what a bunch of creepy creatures this post about Nigel Kennedy has brought in. You will know a person by his friends – speaks volumes about Kennedy if these are his friends.

    • Henry you write unadulterated rubbish and lies. In 1946 Israel didn’t exist, Jews were trying to find their way to safety, get out of DP camps and find out who in their families survived the Holocaust. You’ve reached a new low with your words of rubbish – “All the papers” – maybe it was on the 1946 internet too. Get back in the mud and dirt with the other worms and creepy crawlies.

  13. Nigel Kennedy was correct in what he said and where he said it, Israel is an illegal state guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. The BBC is a Zionist mouthpiece and government controlled state organ, the question is, why is it still funded by taxpayers ?

  14. There are few opportunities for giving the Palestinians voice in mainstream media. Nigel Kennedy had the opportunity and did it live no chance of being cut to the whole world of Prom Listeners. In his own parlance I certainly big him up ”from the river to the sea”

    • There are few opportunities for giving the Palestinians voice in mainstream media

      Hahahahahahaha!

      But what’s sad is, he really believes that’s true.

  15. Israel exists only through terrorism;
    Terrorism that resulted in the UN giving in to Zionist Pressure and allowing a Jewish State. The Muslim Neighbours resented this intrusion of a foreign people from Eastern Europe and Russia being given land that already belonged to British administered Palestine. There resulted in several wars, culmination in the war of 1967 in which Israel occupied all of Palestine along with parts of Jordan, Egypt and Syria.
    Syria became a UN buffer Zone, Jordan ceded it’s lost lands under US pressure, and Egypt was given back the Sinai. Only Palestine remained under occupation.
    It was no surprise that the people of Palestine used whatever acts they could to highlight their plight. Since which they have been branded ‘terrorists’ in order to stop any Country giving them backing. Israel has continually harassed and made life difficult for those left. Against small arms and rockets, Israel has used modern weapons banned by the UN to decimate and destroy both militants and innocents alike.
    It has made no attempt to return the land taken by force of arms, and is under the terms of the Geneva Convention Guilty of War Crimes and Illegal occupation of a land by force. Israel is in contempt of numerous UN Mandates going back 60yrs, how can that be acceptable?.
    The fact that thousands of true Jews around the World and inside the Israeli State do not agree with the occupation of Palestine, and the oppressive treatment of it’s people. Shows How wrong the Policies of the Zionist led Government are.

    If Israel really is a peaceful Nation, then it can easily show that by withdrawing its troops and settlers from Palestine to the original 1948 borders, when that was done a dialogue could take place on the redrawing of the borders to suit both Countries.

    Jerusalem would be handed over to the UN until a solution was agreed by all parties.

    • Don;t forget half of the population of Israel are Jews from arab countries .
      The “Mandate for Palestine,” an historical League of Nations document, laid down the Jewish legal right to settle anywhere in western Palestine, a 10,000-square-miles3 area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

      The legally binding document was conferred on April 24, 1920 at the San Remo Conference, and its terms outlined in the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920. The Mandate’s terms were finalized and unanimously approved on July 24, 1922, by the Council of the League of Nations, which was comprised at that time of 51 countries,4 and became operational on September 29, 1923.

      • Did the UN ever have the right to give away legally owned land? It must be one of the points that maybe Palestine should ask. Oh, I forgot, Israel can do what it likes, kill children, not allow people to go to a hospital, force a woman to give birth at a checkpoint, not abide by UN resolutions………………………….

      • Finally someone mentioned the still-legally binding documents from 1920… thank you! The real liars here are the so-called pro-Palestinian supporters who claim that there has never been a Jewish presence in the land. The Biblical record and archeological finds prove otherwise, otherwise the PA and their minions around the world wouldn’t be trying to erase evidence that this land belonged to the Jewish people. And the blatantly racist/anti-Semitic posturing of Abbas and Hamas wouldn’t be accepted by anyone if it was directed at any other group.

    • UN giving in to Zionist Pressure and allowing a Jewish State
      And there we have it.

      For the haters that have infested this thread, Jews are allowed to be dhimmis, or to live on sufferance in other countries, but it goes against nature to allow them to actually have self-determination.

      There are numerous countries where Islam is the official state religion (and a number in which those of other religions are not even allowed to be citizens–such as Saudi Arabia, in which you are legally forbidden to even have a Christian prayer service in the privacy of your own home). There are several countries (including Britain) that are officially Christian (and in the case of England the Head of State is also the Head of the Church), plus many others that are de facto Christian (the statutory holidays include the major Christian holidays, etc.)

      Yet one tiny state whose weekly day of rest is the Jewish day of rest, not the Christian day of rest, and whose statutory holidays include the Jewish holidays, a state in which EVERY citizen, of any race or creed (or of no creed) has equal rights both de jure and and de facto, is hated and reviled and defamed.

      I’m old enough to remember when “Palestinian” meant “the Jews who live in the mandatory area called Palestine”. Those complaining about the treatment meted out to those who nowadays are called Palestinians completely ignore the fact that Israel treats them far better than their own governments (in Gaza and the West Bank), not to mention the fate of Palestinians in other Arab countries. You want to talk about apartheid? You claim you’re a supporter of the Palestinians? Then maybe start protesting the way Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Iraq etc. etc. etc. treat the Palestinians in their countries.

      But no, it’s far easier, far more fashionable (and God knows, FAR less dangerous) to protest against those nasty Zionists in their Jewish state.

      • The Zionists are guilty of stealing land from the Palestinians, that’s at the bottom of all this, not whether someone is Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Agnostic or Atheist. It’s all about denying people their homeland.

        • Not according to Hamas
          Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad
          Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots – whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. So where is your affection and mercy?
          […]
          Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [“Egyptian”]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis.

    • Russell Gaddin: It’s hard for me not to address you as Anthony Faithful Wrong as the opportunity is too tempting. I say wrong because you know nothing of history or the disgraceful role played by Britain over the last century. At the end of WW1, the lands of the Ottoman Empire were confiscated and an agreement reached and concluded by the League of Nations, the fore runner of the delightful United Nations, In 1922. This agreement stated that France would see to the establishment of Syria and Lebanon in part of the confiscated lands and “Great” Britain were mandated to ensure the establishment of a Jewish homeland in another area of the confiscated Ottoman lands. This was from the Mediterranean, across the Jordan and included the land known as Jordan. Despite an agreement to the contrary, Jordan was never part of the agreement and this area, larger than all the lands of Israel and the West Bank combined was lopped off to appease some unhappy tribes that coveted Saudi Arabia and so Jordan was created. There were no Palestinians back then, only some Nomadic tribes that came to the area hoping that they might find employment in the soon to be Jewish State. The whole history has been turned on its head by the Nations of the World trying to appease a new people who decided to call themselves Palestinians and who have sold the narrative that they are the true residents of the land when in fact Jews have been in the land for 3000 years. There are many references to verify and confirm this History.

    • Anthony: Palestine, so-called, would have peacefully existed alongside Israel from 1948 onwards had the surrounding Arab nations not attacked Israel and had Jordan not annexed that area called the ‘West Bank’ that is historically and biblically Judea-Samaria. The Mid-East has been living with the consequences ever since.
      If Israel exists only through terrorism – I assume you’re talking about the King David Hotel bombing? – one has to understand the situation that the British Mandate allowed from the 1930s through until 1948. Eg refusing to allow Holocaust refugees to leave Nazi Germany while giving the Arabs carte-blanche to settle in that region known then as Palestine; turning back Jewish refugees to Nazi-occupied Europe; detaining Jewish refugees in, eg, Atlit, near Haifa.
      How can Israel withdraw from J-S when we could witness a repetition of what happened in Gaza?

  16. cba – spot on.
    Over 100,000 Syrians killed so far, countless numbers of Iraqis dying this year alone, hundreds if not thousands of Egyptians killed in the past 24 hours – and not a word from Kennedy or his supporters.

    And yet somehow, the fate of the Palestinian Arabs takes precedence over these people. Or does it? Do these people actually care so much about Palestinian Arabs, or rather, take any opportunity to punish Israel? I think we all know the answer to that, don’t we?

  17. I must thank the Zionist lobby on here for partaking in this discussion. They have made it abundantly clear that the Zionists are not capable of accepting any criticism about their behaviour towards other citizens of the same country which they share.

    I grew in a family which was threatened with a holiday in NAZI concentration camps. Indeed my grandfather helped many Jews to escape Germany, in the 1930’s and even during the war he pleaded with the authorities for Jewish lives. One of those Jews showed his appreciation towards my mother when she brought me home to England in 1947. Consequently I am only to aware of what prejudice is all about, because I grew up with it though out my life. However because I experienced it doesn’t mean that I should, or indeed want it, inflicted on anyone else.

    The Jewish record of the ‘Holocaust’ does not take into account any of the other races or groups, which also were unfortunate to have been persecuted, punished and exterminated in the NAZI camps. I had a shock the first time I visited the Bergen – Belsen camp museum in 1967. There was a large plaque depicting the various races/groups which suffered and were killed in those camps, under Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’. The Jews were at the mid point on the chart, which surprised me because it meant that there were races and groups which lost more people than the Jews did. I can’t remember the figures now, as it is a long time ago, but if I remember rightly the Germans lost many more than 6M in those camps. Those trips around the various camps brought it home to me how evil and vindictive human beings can be to each other, and I most certainly didn’t think that I would ever see such times ever again.

    How wrong I was, I am witnessing similar happening today, perpetrated by the very people who should know better, JEWS. The victim this time being the Palestinian people. I am so sad, how can people be so stupid as to waste their short time on earth practicing such hate towards their fellow human beings. After all none of us had any choice to how or in what form we came onto to this planet, so we should all be showing each other sympathy and empathy rather than hate and distrust. Make this life as pleasant as possible for your fellow humans and they in turn will help you to have a good experience.

    The only solution which can solve the problems between Israel and the Palestinians I feel is for the country to be returned to it’s old and rightful title ‘Palestine’, remove all divisions and for everyone to live in peace and harmony with each other.

    History is history and it needs to remain in the past. If one tries to resurrect it into modern times it causes all sorts of problems. It is best to learn lessons from it, which can and should improve life in todays society.

    • “How wrong I was, I am witnessing similar happening today, perpetrated by the very people who should know better”……..

      Absolutely Henry. Be interested to learn how the actions of any Israeli government can in any way be compared to those of the National Socialist party. Hamas or HezbAllah, perhaps. Even the Baath party of Syria and Iraq, but Israel? Your comparison is that of a lunatic.

    • am witnessing similar happening today, perpetrated by the very people who should know better, JEWS

      Copmaring Israel with the Nazis? how nice and how typical of propalestinain.

      • Why would you think Jews or Zionists need to accept criticism that is based on fiction and concoction? Surely you would reject untrue or unfair or biased criticism directed at you. How many lies have the Palestinians been caught out on? Big ones – Mohammed Al Dura, Jenin, Gaza beach mine, Hezbolla car bomb, Dead Palestinians getting back on stretchers when they fall off, the Palestinian Arabs were in Jerusalem before the Jews, Moses was a Palestinian Arab??? Lies told by the Israeli’s – I challenge you to mention one. My you are a silly one aren’t you. It is necessary to check historical facts before trying to enter a serious debate.

        • I wouldn’t call this a serious debate Russell more like an exchange of insults if you ask me.
          I can only go on the evidence before my eyes, Like Henry I suppose.
          I have been to the West Bank and have friends there and in Gaza.
          My grandfather like Henry’s helped Jews to escape Europe before the last WW. (looks like another on the horizen.) And my grandfather went to Palestine for a holiday the year I was born -1938 -I have his photograph album. He travelled through Palestinian villages which have since been wiped off the map (The Nakba) and was able to travel easily from Lebanon to Iraq and fly from the Sea of Galilee on a little bi-plane belonging to Olympian Airways. There was a Palestinian Tourist Company then and he brought back items made by Palestinian craftsmen.
          I see now the sewage leaking from Israeli settlements onto fertile villages below where Palestinians are trying to grow their crops, and the cruelty of the settlers and the army towards the Arabs and my sympathies are with Palestinians as his would be if he were still alive. Look at the map. Open your eyes and don’t believe all the Israeli propaganda you hear. Find out what is happening for yourself.
          Visit the place. Read some proper history books.
          Not everyone living in the West Bank and Gaza are terrorists as they would have us believe.
          But nobody learns anything from history do they? We just repeat it.

          • I see now the sewage leaking from Israeli settlements onto fertile villages below where Palestinians are trying to grow their crops,

            i think you are counfusing things. For example in Samaria all but one of 22 Palestinian villages refuse connection to sewage line by Israel.. instead, their sewage flows into the aquifer below and ends up directly in the stream.The same way they refuse water cooperation. As a Swiss greaduate wrote in his thesis
            Burkart writes: ‘It is not the Israeli occupation policy but the Palestinian political resistance against joint management and cooperation that is responsible for the relatively slow development of the Palestinian water sector and the deteriorating human rights situation in the Palestinian Territories’ and ‘There is convincing evidence of mismanagement within the Palestinian Water Authority (PWA).

          • I think you are forgetting the ongoing problems of sewage contamination in the West Bank.
            I have seen run off from the settlement Arial onto the village of Marda for example and the damage in consequence. Nothing to do with mismanagement by the PA and no confusion here.
            Ask re the other examples. There are many. Ask or go there and see for yourself.
            Ask about the water situation in Gaza.
            War on Want will be able to provide you with information if you care to ask.
            Can Palestinian villages – the ones that are left- dig for their own wells as in the past? I don’t think so.
            How much do they have to pay for the water they use compared to the “proper” inhabitants?
            I don’t mean to be insulting but I think you have a one sided view of the situation like your friend Russell.

          • Palestinian refuse to cooperate with Israel and than balme Israel. As was proven by many non Israelis that the plaesitnian use the water problem as a political weapon against Israel. The same way you are doing.

            Prof. Haim Gvirtzman of the Institute of Earth Sciences at the Hebrew University (who has for years been part of the Israeli team for water coordination with the PA) Showd that statistics released by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics and the Palestinian Water Authority for World Water Day this past March are fabricated.

            . In complete contradiction of the PA’s concocted data, Gvirtzman shows that every Israeli citizen pays more for his or her water – in order to subsidize Israel’s sale of water to the Palestinians at discount prices. In fact, residents of Ariel and Ma’aleh Adumim (not to mention Tel Aviv and Haifa) pay twice as much for their water as residents of Nablus and Ramallah pay for their water – if the latter bother to pay anything at all.

            The PA is doing almost nothing to preventing massive leaking in its domestic pipelines; almost nothing to implement modern water conservation techniques; and nothing to recycle sewage water for irrigation.

            In fact, many Palestinian farmers routinely overwater their crops through old-fashioned, wasteful flooding methods. Generally, they don’t pay their own water bills, so they don’t care to conserve. (The PA uses international donor money to pay for this waste.) Moreover, at least one-third of the water being pumped out of the ground by the Palestinians is wasted through leakage and mismanagement – by the Palestinian Water Authority’s own estimates.

            Palestinian refuse to built sewage treatment plants . the plans are there and also the money from interntaional financing.
            Even when Israel builds a sewage pipeline, like the Wadi Kana trunk line to collect waste water from several communities in the Kalkilya district and treat the sewage in Israel, the PA declines to cooperate. It has not connected the 11 Palestinian towns in the area to this new sewage line.

            etc etc etc.
            He is not the only one by the way. there are non Israelis who say the same thing

          • And there are Israelis who would disagree with what you say.
            I can only suggest you go and see for yourself instead of listening to the “experts”.
            Untreated sewage is not very good for crops and why should Palestinians try to treat the settlers’ waste any way?
            You don’t mention the damage on the infrastructure during the Cast Lead offensive on Gaza. I haven’t heard there has been compensation for any damage but maybe there has been and we just haven’t heard about it yet.
            Bishop Morgan (Wales) visited Gaza and reported in 2009 the people there have no proper homes, sanitation or means of escape. Since then the blockade has made things worse.
            I don’t think you can continue to blame the victims of the occupation for their misfortune. There has to be some balance sometime in the interest of both sides who have suffered so much for so long.
            War doesn’t get anyone anywhere. If Israel manages to acquire all of this land, as is her government’s intention. it will not be the end of the story and she may live to regret her lack of foresight. Cooperation is far better than confrontation and benefits everyone. Israelis need the Palestinians strange as it may seem.
            Look at the money wasted on these recent wars! What a lot we could have done with that amount instead of making the arms dealers rich beyond their wildest dreams. There you go. We have to disagree on this.

          • I was just quoting a professor of Hydrology study . Were those Israelis who think differently doing a study about the issue or is it their words like yours that we have to belive. As fot the rest .Damage? maybe they sould have think about that before firing rockets at Israel.

          • Maybe “they” should have thought what would happen if “they” move a whole population into refugee camps Alexa. All “they” need to do to radicalise a country is take away their homes, family, economy and any hope for the future.
            Where would you suggest “they” put the Palestinians?

          • Your information is incorrect. It wasn’t Israel who moved the Arabs into refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza! Those areas were under Jordanian and Egyptian occupation and rule. The Arab Palestinians can thank the other Arab countries for that gift. Look at all the Arab countries around you and see that there too, Palestinians are in refugee camps, not allowed to hold jobs in those countries, or own homes, or vote. Ask the Israeli Arabs/Palestinians how many representatives are in the Israeli Parliament, can they vote in all elections, do they hold jobs in Israel, are they admitted to all Israeli Universities. You will find the answer a resounding YES!

          • We must read different history books.
            Wonder what it was created that particular refugee situation in the first place.
            Avi Shlaim, history Professor, and Shlomo Sand, teacher of contemporary history, are both worth reading if you have the time.
            Perhaps we should all shut up and just concentrate on getting our facts right.

          • A Palestinian on Palestinian Authority television blames Arab leaders for making his parents refugees. Ibrahim Sarsur, head of Islamic Movement in Israel, affirms that this indeed happened and condemns it.

            Transcript:
            Phone caller from Gaza: “Mr. Ibrahim, I address you as a Muslim. My father and grandfather told me that during the “Catastrophe” [establishment of Israel – 1948] our district officer issued an order that whoever stays in Palestine and in Majdel [near Ashkelon, southern Israel] is a traitor, he is a traitor… ”
            Ibrahim Sarsur, head of Islamic Movement in Israel: “I don’t want to blame the one who caused this situation, but we are forced to cope with this situation. The one who gave the order forbidding them to stay there bears guilt for this, in this life and the Afterlife, throughout history until Resurrection Day.”

  18. Blimey! What a thread!

    Perhaps the words of Zuheir Mohsen, head of the military wing of the PLO might help establish some balance here

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan”

    Easy to look up; easy to establish its veracity as Mohsen was speaking to a Dutch newspaper at the time.

    Quite apart from the obvious statement about a distinct Palestinian people, you will notice the original aim was to conquer the entire land *for our Arab unity* and to *unite Palestine and Jordan*. Jordan being their actual homeland. There was no intention then – or before – of allowing the Palestinian Arabs autonomy and a state of their own. It was quite simply Arabs – who, post-Ottoman empire, couldn’t cope with the notion of a Jewish state. Not much has changed since.

    Of course, Jordan was a newly-defined country too, but I don’t see anyone here having a problem with that. Nor with the net result of the fall of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

    • I cannot believe someone who knows how to read and write – traces of an education – can write such unadulterated drivel. The only thing that’s correct is that Palestinians (Arabs) is a created entity designed to claim the once swampland and desert that is today Israel. Wait until they latch onto the oil and gas reserves. Where were these so called people before the land was developed. Oh I know everything in that land was developed and built by Arabs. Calls for peace are an impossibility as long as people hold onto conceptions as they would like the world to be.

      • Russell, I am quite puzzled by your comments to me. I have simply re-produced a quote by the (then) military leader of the PLO and reserved my comments for that alone. It was seen as an eye-opener and an admission of the real intent behind the PLO’s movement.

  19. I would also add that this apparent concern for Palestinians seems dependent upon where they live. Why is there – for example – no concern for those who form the majority of Jordan and yet are the underclass?

    • Perhaps you’re not aware of the large number of “Palestinians” who live in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and throughout the ME. Sorry but the only place where “Palestinians” enjoy any decent kind of life are those within Israel.

  20. Gadden, if I didn’t already know you were a jew I would have put you right up there with the nazis for your ill informed and racist remarks..my ancestor was Bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 19th century and he had nothing but contempt for th epathetic jews he had to convert to Christianity, so much so that he started the first school for Palestinian nationalists which exists stil today…he had enough of their whining and kvetching…it was beautiful and his books tell us but, like most of us, he had a problem with the jews, even then they started to grab lad, steal loaves of bread, its in the genes..as you know and israehell is truly the most objectionable apartheid entity on this planet and we wil not stop until it is stopped, death to zionism and hopefully that wil silence the Gaddenazis of the world

      • Bryna please don’t let Jane upset you because of her responses to me. Jane is full of hatred and spews garbage as it’s the only way she eases the pain of hatred. She claims her ancestor was Bishop of Jerusalem – just words, no proof. Am Yisrael Chai!

    • Jane you must really be a plain Jane with nothing to do but dream up nonsense. Incidentally are you educated? You couldn’t even spell my name properly. What do you know of Nazi’s? What do you know of Apartheid? What do you know of Jews besides some nonsensical stories that you believed so you could hate Jews. You demean those poor people who actually suffered under Apartheid – you minimise their hardship and suffering. Israel is not an Apartheid country. If Palestinians suffer from some form of discrimination, it’s from Arab Palestinian leaders not from Israeli Jews. You’re quoting something you really know nothing about. As for Nazism – you demean those poor people who died at the hands of the Nazi butchers. More Arab Palestinians are killed in all the other Arab lands by Arabs than the total number of Palestinians killed by Israeli’s in all the years and wars in all the countries added together. When Jewish Israeli’s are being killed, you and all your kind are silent. If Israel retaliates and as usual gains the upper hand in 6 days or less, you scream Nazis, Stop the over reaction. What are you doing they only fired 1000 missiles at you. Please don’t hurt the poor suffering Arabs who simply made a mistake. Empires have tried to destroy the Jews and have all disappeared whilst the Jew remains. There is a common saying – if the Arabs put down their arms therte would be peace. If Israel put down it’s arms it would be destroyed. Shabbat Shalom.

    • Jane what was the Bishops name? What is the name of the school he founded. Do you mean a Jew converted to Catholicism to become Bishop of Jerusalem? Wow he could have become a Pope. Stealing bread cannot be in the genes of Jews as they wouldn’t steal bread that wasn’t kosher. Perhaps you’re confusing the Jews with Jean Valjean?

    • An anti Semite is a anti Semite Jane. Could your ancestor be angry that jews just won’t follow your religion? ( the one that stole our customs and holy books and added a pagan twist- son worshipping. If you hate yourself you will
      Hate jews so go see a jewish analyst and work out your father (g-d) complex

    • In your next life, come back as a jew in Saudi Arabia – female you can have a clitosectomy and a burkha curtosy of the people you so love. Oh, does your seven year old male escort let you go shopping alone yet

    • At least you don’;t hide behind the I am not an antisemite but anti zionist. YOur hate for Jews is clear to see. What is more clear is the true face of pro Palestinain so we can thank you for that .

    • There is no apartheid in Israel. Look at the Knesset members who are Palestinian, Arab, orthodox Jew .. if there’s apartheid its with the surrounding Arab nations who have mistreated the Palestinian refugees. They could have returned after the war against Israel and become Israeli citizens.
      ‘Palestine’ never existed. That name is based on ‘Syria-Palestina’ given to it by the invading Roman Army circa AD70. Hence the PSC adopting it as an anti-semitic stance.
      A land built on biblical prophecy (Genesis Ch 12) confirmed by history (Balfour Declaration of 1947 & UN Resolution 181): that’s Israel.

  21. put down your arms and fulfill all my dreams Gaddin, (is that name for real? Gaddin about trying to find antisemites haha) and of course read my piece again, the Bishop had to convert the jews, that is what his role was..read your history…don’t you know anything about the missionary position? I have so much knowledge of nazis (if only you knew how!!!) that my head is exploding, and my knowledge of the jews filters in annoyingly but with certitude….soon, again I will go back to reclaim my land from the zionist bastards just outside the Jaffa Gate ‘ve are vaiting for a signature’..they whine…where did you hear THAT before..thieving fucking Shylocks…and on and on..boy could I dance verbally all night here, am loving it, if I didn’t have to plan my next trip to document the evils of zionism..must get on…nighty night – I shall sleep on your bons mots…”If Israel put down it’s arms it would be destroyed”…what’s keeping them. You know it makes sense. Just do it.

    • Wow you’re on some real heavy stuff. Do you snort it, inject it or just swallow it? Seems you’ve been swallowing a whole lot of rubbish for many years. Bye Jane Doe!

      • Well, she’s certainly got some misunderstandings about what type of “land” lies outside the Jaffa gate! But that aside, pity Nigel Kennedy is unlikely to read this stuff. I’d be more than ashamed to have such “support” for my views.

  22. This would explain a lot:
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/110327/the-irrational-hatred-behind-brutal-acid-attack

    There is a highly specialised area of academic work into the psychology of antisemitism and some evidence of a statistical link between antisemitism and psychosis. Research by Steven K Baum, editor of the Journal of Antisemitism suggests that the more an individual holds antisemitic beliefs, the more likely he or she is to harbour psychotic thinking.

    Dr Baum’s books, When Fairy Tales Kill and Antisemitism Explained attempt to demonstrate how a prejudice based on a perverse fantasy can spread through a culture and find expression in acts of violence against real human beings. His conclusions are terrifying, especially when extended to modern genocidal fantasies directed at Israel or the conspiracy theory that Jews were responsible for 9/11.

    Antisemitism is an ancient hatred. Mysogyny is even older. I have no evidence that the acid attack in Zanzibar was antisemitic, but I have no doubt that it was misogynistic. And I believe a similar irrational psychosis drives the hatred of women that drives the hatred of Jews. It is not by chance that extremist Islam targets these two groups above all others.

    Readers will know that users of social media who happen to be both Jewish and female can be the subject of the most appalling abuse, especially if they admit to supporting Israel.

  23. I well remember the appearance of the East-Western Divan Orchestra some years ago, (which has both young Jewish and Palestinian musicians).

    To the best of my memory Daniel Barenboim said the following: “people expect me to say something about what is wrong with the Middle East: tonight I would like to show you what is RIGHT with the Middle East!” This was well received by the Proms audience which, incidentally, gives short shrift to demonstrations of any kind.

  24. I wonder when that nasty Nigel Kennedy last set foot in Israel? Two months ago I visited a Tel Aviv Hospital for children that treats ALL youngsters: Israeli, Palestinian, Arab-Israeli. I also visited a confectionary factory in the West Bank (Judea-Samaria) and met Palestinian workers and Palestinian FOREMEN who would earn more working there than they would under the PA.

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